Bowling (Atari 2600 Emulated Novice/B Mode)

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Scored By: Gray (GJW)
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I took a break from trying to crack 200 on Wii Bowling ... smiley

This is played on Flashback 3, and it's game 1 (curve balls), difficulty B (easy).

-- Posted by Gray on 2014-04-30 23:22:29   Reply
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nice choice ;]

-- Posted by S.BAZ on 2014-05-01 00:13:11   Reply
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you are insane :D

-- Posted by Nognir on 2014-05-06 10:44:41   Reply
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flasback games are nintendo remakes. these have litteral programming differences. I will point them out soon. Some of the games are harder because there programed compleatly wrong. I think the flashback should be its own catagory just like how emulation is. Its not fair to compair 2600 users and flashback users. Not just an opinion I will prove as such. I will not vote this as it needs to be catoryed.

-- Posted by thedarkbanshee on 2014-05-09 09:52:31   Reply
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Hi DarkBanshee,

I will put forward my understanding, but I look forward to you providing some evidence because I'm always open to being corrected. smiley Anyway, as far as I know:

Flashback 1 - Nintendo-on-a-chip. Yes they are ports. New programming, completely different from the Atari originals. You only have to look at Flashback 1 on YouTube and you will instantly see that the games are different.

Flashback 2 - Hardware matches original Atari 2600, running original roms. "2600-on-a-chip". Many people have modded this console to add a cartridge slot, after which it perfectly runs almost all 2600 cartridges. Flashback 2 is, for all intents and purposes, the same hardware as a real 2600 (99% anyway, I guess).

Flashback 3 (this is my one) - Not as good as Flashback 2, but pretty close. It's running on an ARM chip. Original Atari controllers and paddles will work on this system.

Flashback 4 - Same as Flashback 3 except has wireless controllers.

As far as I understand, 2/3/4 are EMULATIONS, not PORTS. That means the game code has not been touched in any way. Hence the minor sound glitches in my Flashback 3 - it is emulating the actual game ROM, but just failing to do so at 100% accuracy. Because they are emulated, they should be perfectly acceptable in the emulation category. They are not re-writes or ports of the games at all. Also consider this -- with a Flashback, the player is using a joystick which is extremely close to the original Atari joystick. With Stella emulation, they can use keyboard (unfair advantage), mouse (unfair advantage), or a USB joystick with auto-fire (unfair advantage). But we still allow Stella scores smiley

So I would contend that Flashback 2, 3, 4 are all acceptable, but not the Flashback 1. I look forward to further discussion yes

-- Posted by Gray on 2014-05-09 17:16:29   Reply
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Oh also I wanted to clarify -- "Its not fair to compair 2600 users and flashback users" -- we're not. We are comparing 2600 emulated with 2600 emulated smiley I would never allow a Flashback score to come under "Atari 2600" category; only "Atari 2600 Emulated" category.

-- Posted by Gray on 2014-05-10 03:09:41   Reply
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You are correct about it not being fair to compair 2600 users and flashback users. I made a mistake in my assment as when I went to vote I was not fully paying attention. I saw Atari 2600 and missed Emulated. Now I also must say I was recalling things wrong as well. You see I have a flashback 4 and the games are different then emulated on PC but not by much by any stretch, however I was thinking of how the differences are in a maner I do not like just like my jacks pacific paddle tv nes chip system. I forgot that  the flashback 4 is only slightly different and is not a nes chip like the jacks pacific. However to do my dislike of the jacks and my lack of using it and my dislike for the flashback and my lack of using that I was thinking they were the same. After reading your message I went to test and I found your statments to be correct. Although I find the flashback has slow responding or delayed controls its easily fixed by hooking up origonal atari controllers well mostly not entirly but for the most part.

So I would say it still belongs in its own catagory because even emulation is better then these sysems I will regardless of the fact accept them as emulations because escentually thats what they are, leastwise the flashback 2,3 and 4.

Note: I realized the paddles for the flashback 4 are extreamly slugigh on the flackback 4 yet if used on a true atari system there really smooth and the distance in turning from one location to the next is a much shorter distance. So its like raising the DPI on a mouse but for a paddle on an Atari. It has its upside in being smooth but its down side in to fast of movment providing your used to an origonal paddle. Cheak it out for yourself

-- Posted by thedarkbanshee on 2014-05-13 14:51:50   Reply
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Thanks for the reply! Appreciate it. For what it's worth I agree with you -- if I had access to a real 2600 and plenty of games, I would probably never touch the Flashback! But unfortunately for me it's literally the only option.


Although certainly the Flashbacks are not emulating at 100% accuracy - that's pretty obvious - I would still maintain that they fit under emulation category. The not-perfect emulation is offset by the fact that somebody using a Flashback is sitting in front of a TV and using a replica Atari joystick (the same way as playing, you know, a real 2600!). For me, that's more accurate than the whole sitting at a PC using a keyboard/mouse to play Stella thing.


For example the scores I set in Frogger games on Stella are way higher than I could have achieved using a joystick - because the arrow keys are perfect for this game. So you could argue that playing Stella with a keyboard needs it's own category - where will it end? wink


Maybe somebody else could chime in with their opinions anyway. Cheers!

(PS I don't have access to paddles so all paddle games are unplayable for me crying )

-- Posted by Gray on 2014-05-13 18:34:57   Reply
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I could sell you an atari or paddles and such. I would charge you cost plus shipping. I  do not know if yout oz tv will play NTSC though. you can try ebay. Old atari controllers and paddles work on a flashback though. No need to buy the expensive flashback ones. Note if you purchess paddles I reccomend gemini ones. They are the best with one flaw that can be easily fixed. All gemini paddles have play in then as there sadly designed this way but with a few dabs of glue you will then own the smoothest set you might ever touch for a lifetime. I may make a video on how to do this.

-- Posted by thedarkbanshee on 2014-05-13 20:43:39   Reply
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Thanks but I can't justify the cost with already having multiple consoles that I barely play these days ... I'll look at paddles for the Flashback down the track though, thanks for the Gemini tip yes

-- Posted by Gray on 2014-05-14 06:05:01   Reply