Frogger (Atari 2600 Expert/A)

Score: 24,398
World Ranking: 1
Scored By: ZilchSr
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Timeline:
0:00:17 Power on
0:00:27 Game properties/Diff Sw settings (also at 1:33:20)
0:00:00 Title select
0:00:45 Variation select
0:17:28 Start of run
1:32:49 End of run
Run duration: 1h 15m 21s

Rollovers:
0:47:28 10,000
1:18:38 20,000

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-03 13:51:52   Reply
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YES on ALL! :)

Welcome to High Score. :)

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-05 01:17:27   Reply
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Thank you! I'm glad to be here!

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-05 13:07:46   Reply
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Just out of curosity, how to you hear about us?

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-06 04:13:37   Reply
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@Mark:

There were a few posts in a different website regarding people cheating on high score forums, with one person (who shall remain nameless) being literally the worst offender: i.e. getting caught submitting impossible scores, submitting a high scores with partial video, doctored video, using save states, etc. Another person accused of submitting a high score using only partial video, then years later uploading a "photo" showing the score they claim they got. Which is funny, because using an emulator, I can achieve any score on any game, simply take a photo, then claim I got that score ... so I joined up here to beat their fake scores, and some of their real ones too LOL, except all of my scores are literally real-time video recordings, most even including me using the controller.

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-06 13:15:32   Reply
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Short answer: I Google searched "Atari 2600 high score cheaters", and in one of the results, this website came up.

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-06 13:18:44   Reply
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Just to clarify, this site only came up because the offender has thousands of WRs on here, and not because this site is bad. In fact, I freaking love it here.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-06 13:34:53   Reply
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I just performed the same Google search that you did, and the same name kept cropping up (as did the Activision game "Dragster"). I already knew that this person had been exposed as a cheater. I don't know what Username they used, or if they were ever here, but I hope that they are no longer here. We don't need the kind of negative press that Twin Galxies has received.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-07 01:40:06   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

I post alot of scores for the 2600, some via emulation (always clearly identified as such), and some on actual Atari hardware (usually my 7800 ProSystem). I don't have nearly the collection that you do, so I have to rely on emulation for some games. The only emulator that I use is EMU7800, which emulates games for both the 2600 and the 7800 (obviously). WIth games played on my 7800, I generally use a Sega 3-button controller. It's hardware compatible and alot easier on my hands. With EMU7800 I use to use a keyboard, but now only use a Logitech Xbox 360 controller. I'm quite up-front about this.

Tonight I found a really nice looking Demolition Herby handle cartridge w/color label. It looks legit to me, so I've purchased it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Demolition-Herby-Atari-2600-Telesy-rare-Game-cartridge-only/352626835559?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-07 02:02:09   Reply
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Yes, I know who you are referring to ... the Dragster guy who used to work as a ref for TG. He's old news ... the cheater that was mentioned was not him, and the different sources that have called the cheater who posts scores on this site out gave some pretty conclusive, damning evidence. It just may be likely that some of the cheater's scores are legit, however, the several he and the other guy who likes posting pictures years after his "interrupted video" was busted cheating on calls into question their integrity, and makes me question every single one of their scores. Since this particular site has no challenge or dispute component, the only way to mitigate the damage the cheaters do is simply to beat all of their score and do it the right way, putting the record-breaking performance on public display for all to see and scrutinize. Otherwise, hell ... I could simply use keyboard macros, or a program like AutoHotKey which can make Tool-Assisted runs, rack the score up, and then "take a picture" a couple years later, and claim my score was legit ... just like these guys. Nah ... I'll take the integrity route. There are no performances I would not be willing to duplicate should my old performances not prove the score, but merely prove that I know how to work an emulator with save-states and a camera. If you're good enough to get a world record, you can be good enough twice. ;-)

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 02:38:21   Reply
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... Sweet find on that Demolition Herby, though!!! Good price, too!

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 02:40:09   Reply
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"but I hope that they [Dragster dude] are no longer here." - I don't see any evidence he was ever here, and all of his scores were removed from TwinGalaxies awhile ago. Not sure how they used to run before I got there, but there is no way a cheater will not get exposed with the scrutiny that goes into every record submission. Not even possible. Their standards are extraordinarily strict, which is likely why these two don't have profiles there (at least that I could find). Their scores would be flat out rejected before you could say the sentence, "Ironically, I have literally videos on my YouTube channel advising how to avoid using prohibited events like save states on emulators!", and they'd likely be banned from submitting any additional scores.

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 02:49:33   Reply
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Ok, after further research I found mention of one of our users accused of using "save states" and of editing their videos (I tried to use a gender neutral pronoun; went with 'their'). If so it would explain some truely amazing scores. I even subscribe to their Youtube channel and exchanged a few messages with them at Atari Age.

The site I found lists known World Records, and their status. At the bottom was a list of suspected offenders, where I found this person listed. I found it interesting that they don't consider a PAL game and an NSTC game to be inter-changable. I've always indicated that I played a PAL ROM with my emulator on the rare occassions that I've done so. In fact only once with a game not a PAL Exclusive, and that's Spectravision's Planet Patrol. EMU7800 runs the NTSC version glitchy, so I had to import the PAL version into it. I mentioned it at the time. It's a game that I happen to own on cartridge (NTSC).

I also found it interesting that they don't consider pausing a game to be problematic. There are some games that have a built-in pause feature. Demolition Herby and Squeeze Box for example. Both pause at the start of a new level. You have to hit the Fire button to start that level. And of course many emulators, like EMU7800, have a pause feature.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-07 03:31:59   Reply
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I was stunned myself. The last time I performed a search for Demolition Herby the prices ranged from between $50 to $75 for a loose cart, and the carts were in terriable condition.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-07 03:35:25   Reply
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"... accused of using "save states" and of editing their videos ..." - I wish it were that inconclusive and merely just an accusation, but proof was given, and the offender immediately deleted all of his incriminating videos, using some other user "being ill" as his excuse for deleting the damning evidence. Peculiar enough, the second person I referred to above who played video/picture time-machine with his scores immediately jumped to the cheater's defense. Birds of a feather I suppose.frown

 

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 05:01:37   Reply
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Man, I *LOVE* it when that happens. Every now and then, you find a gem that nobody else came across, and ya get it *real* cheap. That is awesome!

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 05:03:32   Reply
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The offender also has a nasty habit of deleting his YouTube videos when a commenter points out proof within the video that it was either save-state runs pieced together using video-editing software or simply a Tool-assisted run. Indeed, the cheater has a few entries still on this where the YouTube link is no longer valid for that reason. But all is well. I am systematically cleaning up the cheater's mess, but it'll take some time, because their mess is all over the place. I've already cleaned about a couple of dozen records, and I anticipate cleaning about at least a dozen per week, starting with the low-hanging fruit ;-)

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 17:56:57   Reply
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The only bad part is for their "perfect" timed runs and max-outs, there is no way to clean that up ... one could only tie, and therefore, become second place or lower, so that mess will remain, but all others will be gone eventually.

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-07 17:58:56   Reply
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I added the link for the Atari Compendium site to the score that I just posted for Worm War I: Game I; Difficulty b/b. They list a high score of over a million points, which tracks back to Twin Galaxies. The score they have listed for Demolition Herby lacks any links to either a video or a photo. The don't even specify if it was achieved playing Game 1, Game 2, or Game 3. If it were for Game 1 I can easily beat the score posted there. In fact I already have. :)

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-08 03:15:04   Reply
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The next time I achieve a new high score for Demolition Herby I'm going to take a photo with both the Atari Age Custom Reproduction that I have now, and the Telesys. handle cartridge together in the same picture. :)

I've been meaning to ask you a question. Will PAL cartridges work in an NTSC console? I have a 2-in-1 coming, plus there are several PAL exclusives, such as Acid Drop, that I want to play.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-08 03:21:34   Reply
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Not necessarily. Different PAL versions have differing effects. For example, my PAL version of Frostbite shows black and white, but the screen doesn't roll, where as my PAL version of Tennis (also by Activision), the screen rolls. I have, however, heard of a few PAL carts being playable on an NTSC system, however, I have seen no evidence that you can ... but I have no reason to doubt it.

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-08 18:01:16   Reply
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By the way, did I see you mention somewhere that you're an admin for this site? Because if so, something is *really* irritating me. My hometown says Sanford, Washington DC. I do not live in DC, Sanford is in Florida heh heh. Who would I contact to have that fixed? I saw nowhere within my profile where it allows me to change my location.

 

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-08 18:03:13   Reply
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Ok, my 2-in-1 arrived today from Germany. It is labeled as a 2 PAK SPECIAL. The games on it are Planet Patrol / Wall Defender. It runs but in black & white. I already own the U.S. release of Planet Patrol, but I'm still missing the U.S. release of Wall Defender. I primarily ordered this cart to see how my set-up handles PAL carts. I've seen a play video on the site here for a PAL game where the user who posted it lives in the U.S. In that case the picture had a vertical rolling bar, but was otherwise fine. I believe the game was Meteor Defense (a PAL exclusive).

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-09 00:12:09   Reply
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I am mearly the Administrator for game requests for the Sega 8-bit family of systems (Sega SG-1000, Sega Master System, Sega Game Gear). So if someone requests a game for one of those systems, I process the request by either adding it to the database, sending it back to the person who made the request for clarification, or outright rejecting it. I've never had to do the latter. I usually process all requests winthin' 12 to 24 hours of them being made.

You might try S.BAZ. He's a top Administrator here. However I'm not sure he can do anything about it either. That would probably have to be handled by the site's owner, Serious. However he's hard to get hold of these days.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-09 00:42:33   Reply
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" he's hard to get hold of these days." Ugh. sad

 

Thanks for the heads up, though! And btw ... you may find a PAL 2600 system on eBay every now and then real cheap. The shipping may cost more than your bid, though.

 

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-09 01:26:18   Reply
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But wouldn't a PAL console output a PAL signal? I am feeding the RF output of the 7800 to an RF input on an old VCR, then taking the composite output of the VCR and sending that signal to a composit switcher, which feeds the HD TV. Not the best solution perhaps, but it works. The problem is that the VCR, like the 7800, is NTSC. Then there's the difference in power requirements. A PAL console would most likely require between 220-240 volts. A power converter would solve that problem of course.

-- Posted by Mark on 2019-04-10 00:51:59   Reply
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Pretty much! You would have to literally have a European system in your house LOL! Power (coverted, naturally), signal ... if ya want to fork over all the dough for it all. I found this site to be helpful ... https://www.howtofan.com/2018/03/ntsc-pal-television-convert.html

 

-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-04-10 01:08:45   Reply